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rider2371
17-04-14, 09:12 AM
I have the AirMan Sparrow Air Pump. Used it a couple times to inflate my dirt bike tires up to 22 psi this past weekend with no issues.
Haven't used it on big bike or car, but I don't expect any issues there. The gauge supports pressures up to 150 psi.
May not be of same quality build as Motopumps but for less than half the price I am satisfied.

http://www.wunderlichamerica.com/motorcycle/8600265.html

Guy Jinbaiquerre
17-04-14, 09:52 AM
Main thing I like about the new model Motopump over the old one is that the new one is enclosed in a plastic case. I never liked the exposed gears on the old one; it got the job done for sure, but you had to be careful about how you held it while it was chugging away.

The BestRest Cycle Pump is $100 and metal, not plastic, but I'm not sure how important it is for the pump to be made of metal. Generally I carry mine packed in a case where it's not getting slammed around. It's not like it's going to take a lot of abuse unless you happen to drop it on a hard surface from high up.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
17-04-14, 09:56 AM
Does Motopumps actually say where their pumps are made? I can't find that info on their website... which makes me think it's probably China, because they say so if it weren't.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
17-04-14, 10:14 AM
Does Motopumps actually say where their pumps are made? I can't find that info on their website... which makes me think it's probably China, because they say so if it weren't.

I answered my own question: Taiwan.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=931816&page=11


The Mini Pro inflator is built in a factory in Taiwan. The factory is ISO 9001/14000 certified. The pump is RoHs compliant and CE certified for sale in the European Union. It has TUV certification.


Interestingly, the MotoPumps guy implies that the BestRest Cycle Pump is only assembled in the US, out of components made in China:


You could pay $100 for a Cycle Pump, made in the US from Chinese parts, $125 with an inline pressure gauge. Still doesn't have any of the other features the Mini Pro has, and it weighs twice as much without the gauge.

gkanai
17-04-14, 12:11 PM
A few others I've been considering:

825 kPa for 3000 JPY and decent reviews http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009NNX5FM

700 kPa for 2600 JPY http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009NNX5E8

450 kPa for 4000 JPY http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000AR2MOK

There's a bunch that are less than 2000 JPY but I have a hard time believing that these are worth even that little.

If you want the ultimate 12V portable compressor, there's a Japanese-made one that was used in the Dakar Rally here: http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B002EZZ87Y

Twinrider
17-04-14, 03:13 PM
This is how 'reliable' i found the motopump to be. i pulled it out to use it and it was broken. luckily, i was at home. i pulled the broken part apart to make it more obvious in the photo.

maybe i was just unlucky, but i wouldnt trust these pumps as my only way to inflate a flat tire after a fix! note that i cannibalized the cord. this is the reason for the cord being gone.http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/kansai-riders/3D65179D-146B-4BBA-9CC9-90401106C048_zpsbndsr6d3.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/kansai-riders/media/3D65179D-146B-4BBA-9CC9-90401106C048_zpsbndsr6d3.jpg.html)




As I posted in the other pump thread, my Motopump also broke recently in a similar manner although not the same metal piece, and the pump stopped working. That is what made me put more value on the Bestrest pump, which appears to be built to withstand a bomb blast.


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7302/13884264791_d201faebd9_b.jpg


Here's a pic of the Bestrest pump. All metal outer construction, built to withstand a lot of abuse. I've had one for more than 10 years and it still works great.


http://www.expeditionportal.com/mscott/Users/mattscott/SPR08%20Air%20Compressors/Resized%20Air%20Comp/AirComp%204.jpg

While I'm sure a Motopump would work fine for a while. Just not confident that it will stand up to long-term use in an offroad environment given my and haildamage's experiences. I've had my Bestrest pump for about a decade and it's definitely built to withstand heavy duty abuse. Which is why it weighs what it does. It's more durable, being made of metal instead of plastic. And it also has a 5 year warranty. No, it doesn't have a built in light or a gauge like the latest Motopump, but I always carry a light and gauge anyhow.

http://www.bestrestproducts.com/c-10...and-gauge.aspx

Short story is, I would buy a Bestrest Cycle pump if I was in the market now. The only thing I don't like is the fiddly air chuck but they've upgraded that on the current model.

Kyotoviking
18-04-14, 09:44 AM
I just bought the cheapest pump at Konan home center for 1000yen, and took off the plastic cover and the fan. Looks just like the bestrest pump inside. Something like this http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B000T0HMHK/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?qid=1397781684&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

Japanviking
18-04-14, 09:58 AM
I just bought the cheapest pump at Konan home center for 1000yen, and took off the plastic cover and the fan. Looks just like the bestrest pump inside. Something like this http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B000T0HMHK/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?qid=1397781684&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

I have been planning to do the same.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 10:01 AM
I just bought the cheapest pump at Konan home center for 1000yen, and took off the plastic cover and the fan. Looks just like the bestrest pump inside. Something like this http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B000T0HMHK/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?qid=1397781684&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

Looks can be deceiving. While outwardly similar, one unit can be made of cheap pot metal and poor quality parts and the other just the opposite. When the British Army went to Iraq, they took the full metal jacket Bestrest pump.

http://www.theworldofadventure.com/img/partners/bestrest/bestrest-banner-home.jpg

http://expeditionportal.com/equipment-testing/627-overland-journal-air-compressor-test.html


I personally don't understand the logic of spending $10K-$25K on a motorcycle but hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump that will last for years and could make the difference between being stranded or getting home, but to each his own.




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Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 10:17 AM
I personally don't understand the logic of spending $10K-$25K on a motorcycle but hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump that will last for years and could make the difference between being stranded or getting home, but to each his own.
He's not hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump. He's questioning whether the $100 pump is really high quality, or simply the cheap pump stuck in a metal housing and sold at an inflated price.

I have to say, the Bestrest, Motopump, Touratech, and some other models all look very similar to me on the inside, even if the metal case protects those internals better than a plastic case. The fact that the British Army took the Bestrest to Iraq and liked it doesn't prove anything about whether it's made differently from the others. I would like to see some definitive information about the construction or materials of one pump's internals actually being superior to that of the other models.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 10:23 AM
He's not hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump. He's questioning whether the $100 pump is really high quality, or simply the cheap pump stuck in a metal housing and sold at an inflated price.

You sure do like reading between the lines. All he wrote was that it looked like the same pump.

The five year warranty and the fact that I've owned one for more than a decade without issues tells me that it's not the same pump despite the similar outward appearance. I'm guessing the British Army also did some testing before choosing to take it into a war zone. Not sure if they included a $10 Konan pump though.

In any case, if people want to rely on a $10 pump to get them home, that's their choice.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 10:37 AM
You sure do like reading between the lines. All he wrote was that it looked like the same pump.
The implication of his statement was obvious. Didn't have to go between the lines on this one.



The five year warranty and the fact that I've owned one for more than a decade without issues tells me that it's not the same pump despite the similar outward appearance.
How often have you used the Bestrest in that 10-year-plus period? Seems like you were relying on your Motopump a lot during that time, which may be one reason why it broke and the Bestrest didn't.

Anyway, I'd happily spend extra money on a better-quality pump versus less money on one that's likely to break. But I'd like to make that decision based on actual information about the construction of each model, rather than anecdotal evidence alone.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 10:49 AM
The implication of his statement was obvious. Didn't have to go between the lines on this one.

Obvious? He said he sought out the cheapest pump at Konan and said it looked just like the Bestrest pump.



How often have you used the Bestrest in that 10-year-plus period? Seems like you were relying on your Motopump a lot during that time, which may be one reason why it broke and the Bestrest didn't.

Anyway, I'd happily spend extra money on a better-quality pump versus less money on one that's likely to break. But I'd like to make that decision based on actual information about the construction of each model, rather than anecdotal evidence alone.

I used the BR pump a lot for the first 6 years, then I switched to the Motopump because the chuck is easier to use. But now that the Motopump has broken, I'll upgrade the chucks on the BR to the new design and use it again.

Not sure how you would get "actual information" about the construction of a $10 pump versus the $100 Bestrest pump unless you sent it to a firm specializing in testing the quality of the metal, bearings and rest of the parts.

For me, the length of the warranty is a pretty good indication of how much faith a company has in its product.

And then there are the obvious things visible to the eye such construction, ie, the BR pump having a full metal jacket to protect it against damage.

And then finally, anecdotal evidence. Such as the British Army selecting it for use in Iraq. They don't choose vital equipment on a whim. They test and evaluate.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 11:51 AM
And then finally, anecdotal evidence. Such as the British Army selecting it for use in Iraq. They don't choose vital equipment on a whim. They test and evaluate.

Aw, heck, they don't even test their guns!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/oct/10/military.jamesmeek


The gun was not ready, either to be made or used. The public never learned - and, to this day, has not learned in full - what was going on behind the scenes as the weapon came into service: how the designers at Enfield had failed to grasp the difficulties of making a cheap, mass-produced gun using new technology, how seriously the Thatcher administration's determination to privatise the Royal Ordnance threatened the ability of British soldiers to fight, and how the Ministry of Defence failed to test the production version of the weapon in realistic conditions before accepting it into service.

JamesK
18-04-14, 11:54 AM
I've owned a BR Cyclepump for about 7 years, I use it every week in the garage to check the tire pressures before heading out for a ride. I stopped carrying it on the bike after the Motopumps became available as these are much smaller and lighter units.

I have two Motopumps, have had/used one for about 5 years (it's a permanent fixture in the FJR tookkit). I bought the second one about 2 years ago and it's been a permanent fixture in the Djebel toolkit ever since. I am yet to see any problems with either of the Motopump units, but than again, I treat mine a little better than the two broken ones I saw in the pics above. Mine is always in the case and is treated with respect :icon_wink:

Btw, Aerostich now make a similar sized mini pump to the Motopumps, so maybe you might consider that as an option too, it's similar but has a shroud around the gears...


Aerostich Mini Compressor #3500 - $47 (http://www.aerostich.com/tools/tire-repair/pumps-air-compressors/aerostich-mini-compressor.html)


http://lghttp.26404.nexcesscdn.net/80B717/aerostich/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/450x450/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/5/3500_1a.jpg http://lghttp.26404.nexcesscdn.net/80B717/aerostich/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/5/3500_2b.jpg

Twinrider
18-04-14, 12:21 PM
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with my Motopump till it suddenly broke one day. Good thing I didn't have a flat. I always kept my Motopump in its bag as well, it didn't get knocked around. Just speculating but I think it broke due to heat-related pot metal fatigue.

Will use the heavier BP, my bikes can pull the extra ounces no problem... :rolleyes:


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Kyotoviking
18-04-14, 07:26 PM
Where's my popcorn?



I personally don't understand the logic of spending $10K-$25K on a motorcycle but hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump that will last for years and could make the difference between being stranded or getting home, but to each his own.


My bike cost 4K$ from Yahoo auctions. A promotion gift from my wife.


He's not hesitating to spend $100 on a high quality pump. He's questioning whether the $100 pump is really high quality, or simply the cheap pump stuck in a metal housing and sold at an inflated price.


Exactly!! Bravoo!!!

Btw, used the pump to inflate flats, seat the bead, pumping car tires and so on. Still works after 5 years. Maybe I'm just lucky ;-)

Twinrider
18-04-14, 07:58 PM
Where's my popcorn?



My bike cost 4K$ from Yahoo auctions. A promotion gift from my wife.



Exactly!! Bravoo!!!

Btw, used the pump to inflate flats, seat the bead, pumping car tires and so on. Still works after 5 years. Maybe I'm just lucky ;-)

If I toured as far and frequently as you, I'd trust a Konan pump too. :)



:lurk5:

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 08:17 PM
If I toured as far and frequently as you, I'd trust a Konan pump too.Tone it down, please. It's only natural that you want to justify the extra money you spent on your pump, but there's no need to insult other members in the process.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 08:29 PM
Tone it down, please. It's only natural that you want to justify the extra money you spent on your pump, but there's no need to insult other members in the process.

No one is being insulted and I think KV would be the first one to tell me if he minded my ribbing. So take a chill pill.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 08:38 PM
You need to get a sense of humor mr mighty mod.

No, you do. "Humor" doesn't have to involve putting down other people, especially forum members. Really, take a break from the smack talk and give it a try sometime.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 08:40 PM
No one is being insulted and I think KV would be the first one to tell me if he minded my ribbing. So take a chill pill.
Not everyone likes to mix it up online as much as you do. And sometimes people don't tell you when they're offended; they just go away.

Kyotoviking has a grand total of 261 posts on GR to your 15,523. How about making him feel welcome before segueing into your standard ball-breaking routine?

Kyotoviking
18-04-14, 08:51 PM
Not everyone likes to mix it up online as much as you do. And sometimes people don't tell you when they're offended; they just go away.

No problems. He's got a point, I will admit that (even if I know I'm right), so I will just wait and see if he admits that I have a point.

For those that isn't that good at reading between the lines: don't trust you get a 10times better pump just because the price is higher, and the plastic is smoother. It's all made in China, and the plastic ends up in the north Pacific Ocean, and in the tummy of fish and whales. Fuck the TPP and all other trade pacts. Things should be made where they are supposed to be sold and used. That could save the planet....
Yes.
And yes. I have parked motorcycle syndrome (PMS).
But at least I'm solving many world problems and sorting my camping gear (again and again) in my office.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 09:00 PM
Not everyone likes to mix it up online as much as you do. And sometimes people don't tell you when they're offended; they just go away.

Kyotoviking has a grand total of 261 posts on GR to your 15,523. How about making him feel welcome before segueing into your standard ball-breaking routine?

I've personally partied with KV and think I know him well enough that I can gently rib him, as clearly indicated by the smilie face. So again take a chill pill, your nanny modding isn't needed on this occasion. :001_rolleyes:

RedSquare
18-04-14, 09:08 PM
Someone pass another beer.

Twinrider
18-04-14, 09:21 PM
No problems. He's got a point, I will admit that (even if I know I'm right), so I will just wait and see if he admits that I have a point.

OK, dropping the joking around. I've done the same home center pump mod before myself and it worked fine for the time that I used it before giving it to a friend. And I used a Motopump for about 5 years before it broke. In short, I think having a cheap pump is far better than no pump.

But given my experiences with the BR pump and Motopump, I do believe there is a difference in quality. And the cost is not that great in the grand scheme of motorcycle riding imo. So I reckon it's a sound option for those who don't mind spending the extra bucks.

I think that generally goes with most products. Buy high quality once versus cheap many times. JMO...

Twinrider
18-04-14, 09:22 PM
Someone pass another beer.

Sorry, off to the sports club now so have to bow out for tonight. :icon_wink:

Guy Jinbaiquerre
18-04-14, 09:37 PM
I've personally partied with KV and think I know him well enough that I can gently rib him, as clearly indicated by the smilie face.
You've got more "gentle ribbing" than a magnum-size condom; the only difference is it brings no one any pleasure. :icon_wink:

haildamage
19-04-14, 09:45 AM
i passed along the strip a cheap home center pump idea from TW to KV, so its nice you guys are discussing it:icon_wink:

indeed, its good to have A pump. if you are using a pump of questionable or unproven longevity, its probably a good idea to take it out and make sure it is in good working order often. hell, its probably a good idea to do that with ANY pump!

i have been using the aeorstich pump pictured below for about 8 years. it as gotten a lot of use and abuse. it has vibrated itself apart a couple of times but nothing that couldnt be buttoned back together with a screwdriver. after my much newer and less used motopump fell apart for no good reason i bought two more of these!

http://lghttp.26404.nexcesscdn.net/80B717/aerostich/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/450x450/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/5/3500_1a.jpg

rtho
19-04-14, 01:13 PM
Well I just used a small but good quality bicycle pump on my SE Asia adventure and it did sterling service on the many occasions I had to adjust tyre pressures for getting through some tricky off-road sections and then back onto sealed roads a long way from the nearest compressor also stood me in good stead repairing a puncture on my bike and a couple on bikes of otherwise stranded locals. At home I have a good quality foot operated pump and used it when I changed the two tyres on the GS. Neither of these tools have ever failed and they are cheap too. The battery never goes flat but the motor tires a bit as it's over 60 years old.

Kamikuza
19-04-14, 01:25 PM
You've got more "gentle ribbing" than a magnum-size condom; the only difference is it brings no one any pleasure. :icon_wink:

I'm frequently amused by TR even when I'm the Burt of the joke.


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Dualta
13-05-14, 08:23 PM
I'm going to reignite this thread, seeing it's a bit aged now and I'm in the market for a pump.

So, here's my question. Are the cheap home centre pumps adequate for close-to-home use? I should have bought a pump earlier, but now I'm looking at two days riding this weekend and no pump. Mind you, both destinations are within 15 minutes of the house, so maybe riding the roads on dirt pressure wouldn't be that much of a grief for the time being?

Guy Jinbaiquerre
13-05-14, 08:33 PM
I'm in the market for a pump.
Have you tried Kabukicho?

Dualta
13-05-14, 08:38 PM
Have you tried Kabukicho?

Nopers, but I bet you're good for a recommendation ;)

G-Man
13-05-14, 10:59 PM
I'm going to reignite this thread, seeing it's a bit aged now and I'm in the market for a pump.

So, here's my question. Are the cheap home centre pumps adequate for close-to-home use? I should have bought a pump earlier, but now I'm looking at two days riding this weekend and no pump. Mind you, both destinations are within 15 minutes of the house, so maybe riding the roads on dirt pressure wouldn't be that much of a grief for the time being?

A cheap pump is perfectly adequate. My D2/Cainz/Chinese stripped down 900 yen pump is showing no signs of failure. After a lesson with Kiyo-sensei we usually ride about 30 mins on road before stopping for gas and air. I haven't seen any detrimental effects to my or other riders' tires, although I noticed that Kiyo-sensei's Michelin trial tires drift a lot on the rims at road speeds.

Markw
13-05-14, 11:41 PM
I use an hand pump from Astro which fits Schrader valves, is compact enough to fit in my back pack tool kit and very light weight (117g).

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/13/rezu3e3a.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/13/3epu5ydy.jpg

Jav
14-05-14, 12:25 AM
Any pump with enough pressure, will do the job. Use a foot pump most days at work, as it is simply way
faster than removing seats and hooking up wires. A bicycle pump will work, just expect to spend some time
pumping and allow for a few breaks as the pump will heat up.

Jav
14-05-14, 12:29 AM
http://www.theworldofadventure.com/img/partners/bestrest/bestrest-banner-home.jpg


If the Brits are anything like the Aussies, then their military using it, just means they outbid their
competitors at the brothel.

Markw
14-05-14, 06:49 AM
I should add that the hand pump I carry in my tool pack is intended for emergency use. It does work fine though and has the advantage that it is also capable of inflating the high pressure (110psi) tube of the Tubliss system which I have fitted front and rear. The handle of the pump swivels round making it comfortable to use for an extended period:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/14/ataryre3.jpg

When I need to air up the tires after an offroad ride (before riding on the highway) I typically pull in to a gasoline station and use their air...

Dualta
14-05-14, 07:32 PM
Thanks everyone. I reckon I'll pick up a hand pump before Saturday. I'll keep it for emergencies, and then I'll search around for an electric one I can run off the cigar socket. The tyres' road pressure is 1.5, and I've been advised to drop that to 1.1 front, 1.2 rear when off-road. I'm sure even a hand pump would suffice to re-inflate them by that much or thereabouts.

Markw
14-05-14, 09:37 PM
I'm sure even a hand pump would suffice to re-inflate them by that much or thereabouts.

Yes, no problem, just takes time and some elbow grease :-)

the44secs
01-04-15, 06:22 AM
A few others I've been considering:

825 kPa for 3000 JPY and decent reviews http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009NNX5FM

700 kPa for 2600 JPY http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009NNX5E8

450 kPa for 4000 JPY http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000AR2MOK

There's a bunch that are less than 2000 JPY but I have a hard time believing that these are worth even that little.

If you want the ultimate 12V portable compressor, there's a Japanese-made one that was used in the Dakar Rally here: http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B002EZZ87Y

Did you finally get any of these? How did it work out?

I'm looking at the ML-270 in particular.

Thanks.

JamesK
01-04-15, 10:48 AM
If you're looking for a reasonably priced and reliable electric pump, Aerostich or Motopumps is your answer.

If you're after a manual and lightweight hand pump, I can recommend the Lezyne Pressure Drive Hand Pump (size Medium), thanks NielB.
Amazon.com Price: $40.37

This pump supports both Presta/Schrader valves and uses a flexible hose

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005X7AHK8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Compact hand pump is made of 100% custom CNC-machined aluminum for precise, lightweight construction
High-pressure design achieves riding pressure up to 120psi with 30% fewer strokes compared to conventional pumps
Overlapping handle and barrel are integrated into compact design; oversized piston houses reversible Presta/Schrader hose
Patented Air Bleed System (ABS) button releases air pressure in pump hose, making it easy to remove flex hose, eliminating chance of unthreading Presta valve cores
Includes limited two-year manufacturer's warranty


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61miizGgs%2BL._SL1500_.jpg

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/images/items/900/LED/LED0123/BLAGLO.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX9PZpxWkZE&feature=player_detailpage

the44secs
01-04-15, 11:14 AM
Thanks. James. I looked into Motopumps etc but couldn't to find anything through amazon japan.