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Jav
10-02-12, 11:02 PM
So... if i am to load this bike up and ride for 6 days in Russia, i think i need to do a few mods.
A tad more power
Bigger tank
Better lighting ( realize HIDs are questionable for this trip )
Luggage rack
Power outlets for phone, computer etc.
Unforeseeable mod.........
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250.jpg

chozzer
10-02-12, 11:07 PM
Maybe the turbo is out for this one.....

You don't need a new tank - just a tube so you can siphon petrol out of Guy's GSA.

Jav
10-02-12, 11:10 PM
Luggage...........Looks a bit over the top for me. Prefer Pelican type cases

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR035.jpg

Jav
10-02-12, 11:43 PM
This one looks better. Maybe some kewl black cases mounted.

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/Rack.jpg

Twinrider
11-02-12, 12:01 AM
Trent had that rack on his XR400. That combined with soft luggage would be the most durable setup.

Jav
11-02-12, 12:07 AM
Maybe the turbo is out for this one.....

Most likely. It would be a risk, getting it, installing and making sure it was reliable
in time. Still..............



You don't need a new tank - just a tube so you can siphon petrol out of Guy's GSA.

Good point.

Jav
11-02-12, 12:08 AM
Trent had that rack on his XR400. That combined with soft luggage would be the most durable setup.

Agree. But hard cases are more secure, for when you don`t want to take everything off the bike.

Scorpion
12-02-12, 06:14 PM
Jav
I still have the rack sitting at the house in Tokyo if you want to test fit what it would be like. I think you would have to weld some mounts for hard boxes to the rack in order to use them. i was looking at using ammo cans since they fit the rack very well.

Jav
12-02-12, 07:56 PM
Jav
I still have the rack sitting at the house in Tokyo if you want to test fit what it would be like. I think you would have to weld some mounts for hard boxes to the rack in order to use them. i was looking at using ammo cans since they fit the rack very well.

Thanks for the offer! Might just pick a set up for the WR anyway, as with the exchange rate, they are pretty cheap now.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
12-02-12, 09:53 PM
Ha! Just saw this thread... and I was wondering earlier today if I should get a 250cc dirt bike for this trip and leave the Battlestar at home.

I doubt my back could handle riding a dirt bike all the way from Tokyo to Wakkanai, but I could haul it up there in the Delica. (Also, wouldn't the ride up to Wakkanai wear out your knobblies?)

What do you guys think?

Scorpion
12-02-12, 11:28 PM
Ha! Just saw this thread... and I was wondering earlier today if I should get a 250cc dirt bike for this trip and leave the Battlestar at home.

I doubt my back could handle riding a dirt bike all the way from Tokyo to Wakkanai, but I could haul it up there in the Delica. (Also, wouldn't the ride up to Wakkanai wear out your knobblies?)

What do you guys think?

Honestly as long as you stay near the road you wont need a smaller bike.

Twinrider
13-02-12, 08:26 AM
This one looks better. Maybe some kewl black cases mounted.

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/Rack.jpg

I remember Trent complaining about that rack bending every time he dropped the bike and he was thinking about sawing off the bottom lip. You might be better off with the Happy Trails side racks, they look a lot stronger.

http://www.happy-trail.com/images/products/3/WR250R_SU_1.jpg

Twinrider
13-02-12, 11:48 AM
Ha! Just saw this thread... and I was wondering earlier today if I should get a 250cc dirt bike for this trip and leave the Battlestar at home.

I doubt my back could handle riding a dirt bike all the way from Tokyo to Wakkanai, but I could haul it up there in the Delica. (Also, wouldn't the ride up to Wakkanai wear out your knobblies?)

What do you guys think?

Might not be a bad way to do it if you want to ride more aggressively in dirt. Regarding knobby wear, depends on the weight/power of the bike, riding style and tire brand. I've been happy with the wear rate of my IRC GP-1s, which are 50-50 tires.

They look like this new.
http://www.bikebros.co.jp/img/db_images/ec/9/35316_1_01.jpg

And this after 5,000 km. I'll probably change them in April.
http://twinrider.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-6RWXpH5/0/M/IMAG0343-M.jpg
http://twinrider.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-BxGqBxS/0/M/IMAG0342-M.jpg

No doubt they'd last longer on a 250.

Jav
13-02-12, 12:05 PM
Ha! Just saw this thread... and I was wondering earlier today if I should get a 250cc dirt bike for this trip and leave the Battlestar at home.
I doubt my back could handle riding a dirt bike all the way from Tokyo to Wakkanai, but I could haul it up there in the Delica. (Also, wouldn't the ride up to Wakkanai wear out your knobblies?)
What do you guys think?

I was wondering if I should buy a Battlestar........... ha ha

Seriously, the trek to Hokkaido will suck on a 250, but I think once in Sakhalin it will
be the better bike, especially off road. Delica! Dude how will that look in your Advriders
write up................

Jav
13-02-12, 12:07 PM
I remember Trent complaining about that rack bending every time he dropped the bike and he was thinking about sawing off the bottom lip. You might be better off with the Happy Trails side racks, they look a lot stronger.

http://www.happy-trail.com/images/products/3/WR250R_SU_1.jpg

Need to work out what cases i will use and see how they mount. Then will decide on the racks.
Thanks for the input though.

Jav
13-02-12, 03:29 PM
Was not sure if the WR would be a good choice, but this OZzie rode 10,000 in 13days on his

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq325/stormsearcher/finke008.jpg

and some others rode across Mongolia coming from the UK, so that sort of eliminates any questions.

chozzer
13-02-12, 04:41 PM
Just seeing a question mark...

Guy Jinbaiquerre
13-02-12, 04:41 PM
Was not sure if the WR would be a good choice, but this OZzie rode 10,000 in 13days on his
That's the WR250R, not the WR250X that you have. IIRC, the R has a bigger front wheel than the X, as well as various other dirt-oriented features. Just sayin'.

Jav
13-02-12, 05:27 PM
That's the WR250R, not the WR250X that you have. IIRC, the R has a bigger front wheel than the X, as well as various other dirt-oriented features. Just sayin'.

Bought mine from a Yamaha design engineer in Hamamatsu. He purchased the X and then bought all the
R parts. I got the everything. So mine is an R on some days and an X the next.

Jav
14-02-12, 12:04 AM
Comfy seat?

Rick mayer saddle

http://gsbs.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Yamaha-WR250R/P1030308/861880132_6k7kt-X3.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:06 AM
Happy trails. Look so much better in black!

http://mtntrails.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Jonis-WR250X/Jonis-WR250X/005/861516882_yD7ca-L.jpg

http://mtntrails.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Jonis-WR250X/Jonis-WR250X/001/861516721_Wcqbr-L.jpg

http://mtntrails.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Jonis-WR250X/Jonis-WR250X/006/861516921_VWBG9-L.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:09 AM
Wolfman option

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/scmacdon/WolfMan/P5070006.jpg

They stick out a bit more than the HT.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/scmacdon/WolfMan/P5070008.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:21 AM
Kiwi seat option.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2509/4011609042_679db2856c.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:26 AM
Just becasue it is............

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/4640104241_ed2eacfe40_o.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:28 AM
Every WR need one. Imperitive!

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Open_Medium.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:40 AM
Stop being a tool............. nice box

B and B Moto
http://bake.smugmug.com/Business/Baker-DistanceTanks/Dsc04044/902572249_rh82T-S.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:44 AM
More seat options............

XPC
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab354/QuietEagle/ADVRider/XPCSeat.jpg

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab354/QuietEagle/ADVRider/CompleteFarkles.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:48 AM
6000kms across Australia and I mean ACROSS Australia......... Pretty impressive

Steve Crombie
http://stevered.smugmug.com/photos/915341827_JBMXj-M.jpg

Jav
14-02-12, 12:56 AM
7.5 gallons.......... that is 28litres. Maybe cover the whole of the Sakhalin route....

Rotopax
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab32/chadmando/Motorcycles/Misc/6_5gallonsoffuel.jpg

Twinrider
14-02-12, 09:48 AM
If you don't mind the added 16lbs weight the 7.5" Tetons would make lane-splitting a cinch, but the Wolfmans would probably survive dumps better. That said, I reckon the rear crossbar makes the HT rack a lot stronger than the Wolfman rack.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
14-02-12, 10:22 AM
Dedicated forum here: http://wr250rforum.forumotion.com/

Jav
14-02-12, 10:55 AM
Dedicated forum here: http://wr250rforum.forumotion.com/

Thanks. I am a member there, but there is more info on the single WR250 thread on Advrider.com

gkanai
14-02-12, 01:00 PM
Nice Avons!

Racig
15-02-12, 11:35 PM
So... if i am to load this bike up and ride for 6 days in Russia, i think i need to do a few mods.[LIST=1]
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Power outlets for phone, computer etc.


I just bought a WRx today. What do you have to do to power a smart phone from the bike?

Jav
16-02-12, 01:23 AM
I just bought a WRx today. What do you have to do to power a smart phone from the bike?

Congrats! Just make up a mount plate from 1.5mm aluminum and mount one of these
http://www.amazon.de/12V-Ladeger%C3%A4t-Einbau-Montage-M%C3%B6bel/dp/B004G6S1GO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_4
Or one of these
http://burnsmoto.com/usb-power-socket-weatherproof.php

Jav
03-03-12, 03:11 PM
Finally received a reply on the Turbo. Sadly they do not recommend it for touring, more than 10mile highway
trips, as at highway speeds, the unit causes too much heat build up in the engine. They offer a solution
that disables the turbo for long continuous cruising, but it all sounds like too much trouble to me, besides
I wanted the extra power on the highway.

Quote
The kit was not designed for touring. As supplied, the turbo is making boost the whole time you're at hwy speeds.
Short trips, less than 10miles or not a problem, but anything over that just builds excessive heat, and the stk cooling
system has a hard time coping. That being said, I have a solution, but it will dissable the turbo on extended rides until
the rider pulls over and removes the device implemented in this strategy.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
03-03-12, 04:14 PM
Finally received a reply on the Turbo. Sadly they do not recommend it for touring, more than 10mile highway
trips, as at highway speeds, the unit causes too much heat build up in the engine. They offer a solution
that disables the turbo for long continuous cruising, but it all sounds like too much trouble to me, besides
I wanted the extra power on the highway.

Quote
The kit was not designed for touring. As supplied, the turbo is making boost the whole time you're at hwy speeds.
Short trips, less than 10miles or not a problem, but anything over that just builds excessive heat, and the stk cooling
system has a hard time coping. That being said, I have a solution, but it will dissable the turbo on extended rides until
the rider pulls over and removes the device implemented in this strategy.

Good call. You want fewer mechanical issues on this trip, not more!

JamesK
03-03-12, 06:24 PM
Whatever happened to the 450 engine idea? That sounds like the optimal solution :icon_wink:

Jav
16-03-12, 08:00 PM
Ordered the Happy trails cases in black and a Corbin wide seat today. Was toying with getting an F800GS
but the worse the roads the better the decision to use the WR. And I am hoping for some bad roads, that is
not sealed, dirt, some mud and lotsa bumps/jumps. Also ordered a first aid kit. Prep is under-way!

toomanycooks
16-03-12, 10:44 PM
Any chance of some pics?

Jav
17-03-12, 12:09 AM
Will post up pick when installed.

Jav
06-04-12, 03:59 PM
HappyTrails panniers arrived. Decided to give them an extra layer of protection from small scratches
and bumps........... :001_tongue:

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/HappyTrails1.jpg

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/HappyTrails2.jpg

JamesK
06-04-12, 04:09 PM
HappyTrails panniers arrived. Decided to give them an extra layer of protection from small scratches
and bumps........... :001_tongue:

Hi my name is Jav, and I'm a wrapaholic :icon_mrgreen:

Seriously though that looks pretty nice, I wonder how durable that finish will be?

Jav
06-04-12, 06:14 PM
Hi my name is Jav, and I'm a wrapaholic :icon_mrgreen:

Seriously though that looks pretty nice, I wonder how durable that finish will be?

Oh man, I'm busted......:icon_lol:

3m Dinoc is pretty decent quality. It is pretty tough and resists most scratch
that would leave a mark on your paint. Also, once it is scuffed enough, just
remove it and re apply for that new look.


- Not just a printed pattern, but has an actual texture that reflects light
- 4 year outdoor (3 year desert)/12 year indoor lifespan
- Self-adhesive back with 3Mô Comply adhesiveWater resistant
- Can be cleaned with soap and water

Previously purchased some carbon parts for the WR to go with parts that were already on it, but I
scuffed them up. Next is some carbon wrap on the carbon parts. Much easier to repair....

haildamage
06-04-12, 06:31 PM
yeah, i put silver duct tape on my silver happy trails as an extra layer of protection. need to redo some of it after 3 years but it has worked well.

the WR project is looking great!

Guy Jinbaiquerre
06-04-12, 06:42 PM
You're trying to keep a dirt bike from getting scratches on it? :huh:

Twinrider
06-04-12, 06:53 PM
yeah, i put silver duct tape on my silver happy trails as an extra layer of protection. need to redo some of it after 3 years but it has worked well.

the WR project is looking great!

You ever peeled duct tape off something after it's been on for a while? The results aren't pretty! http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/eekers.gif

Jav
06-04-12, 06:58 PM
You're trying to keep a dirt bike from getting scratches on it? :huh:

Why do you think stickers were invented :icon_wink:

Simple answer, yes. I like nice lookin' bikes and some day i will sell the bike and the panniers
and the better condition they are in, the more cash I get. That said, worrying about scratches
aint going to stop me having fun...............

Jav
16-04-12, 02:38 AM
Upgraded the skid plate. TCI unit with small crash bars built in.

http://cdn.motorcyclegear.com/image/path/44782/small/3.jpg

Decided a screen will help for the boring sealed roads....

http://cdn.motorcyclegear.com/image/path/44311/small/1.jpg

JamesK
16-04-12, 10:24 AM
You ever peeled duct tape off something after it's been on for a while? The results aren't pretty! http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/eekers.gif
Eric, I just hope there are no young kids around when you go to try to remove that 3rd old duct tape :001_rolleyes:

Guy Jinbaiquerre
16-04-12, 10:47 AM
Upgraded the skid plate. TCI unit with small crash bars built in.
Just get the F800GS already! It comes with skid plate, crash bars, windscreen... :001_tongue:

Jav
16-04-12, 12:27 PM
Just get the F800GS already! It comes with skid plate, crash bars, windscreen... :001_tongue:

If it came with adjustable suspension it would be a possibility. I know it is a good bike, but I also know i would be dropping another
load of money to get it the way i want it. Decided on two street (shaken ) bikes. One will be the XR and the other a Ducati.
Some guy in the US did a 1000mile ride in 24hrs on his stock WR, so the Russia trip should be a walk compared to that.

Jav
07-05-12, 02:40 AM
Proving Thumperracing & many other sources are FOC, when it comes to the WR250. This Athena kit produces
a decent 44% in power and increased torque and power across the range. Rider reported no increase in vibes
until past 3/4 throttle and then only a small amount.

Not my dyno chart. From Advrider HighFive.

Stock on this guys bike was 22hp. Airbox mod, FMF pipe and mega bomb, with fuel adjustment netted just
under 27 ( not a bad increase ) as seen in curve 1. Curve 2 is the Athena kit with Power commanded, FMF etc.

After seeing this dyno chart i decided on the big bore. I really want the power for the highway as at gravel
road speeds stock is fine. With the Athena off road should be even more fun and highway speeds above 120
much easier to maintain.

http://highfive.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/WRR-2011/i-hZRzWpP/0/X3/WRR-Dyno-3-a-r2-X3.jpg

Just posting all this stuff to make a thread with lots of information on the WR250. Installed the cases today
so will post pictures on the morrow.

haildamage
07-05-12, 07:30 AM
Just get the F800GS already! It comes with skid plate, crash bars, windscreen... :001_tongue:

hmmm, mine didnt come with crash bars and skid plate! did i get ripped off?

Jav
11-05-12, 01:23 PM
WR Cases installed

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_1.jpg

Cases open out. Have bags that mount on top of the case.
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_2.jpg

No wider than the bars so lane splitting should be fine.
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_3.jpg

The next mod, 8" HID dual beam. The small HID spots will go and a 3000lm
Led bar 6" will take their place. Pics soon.
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_4.jpg

Twinrider
11-05-12, 04:03 PM
WR Cases installed


No wider than the bars so lane splitting should be fine.
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_2.jpg

Looks like they hold a lot, are they the 7.5" or 9" Tetons?

Jav
11-05-12, 04:54 PM
7.5"

I wanted to keep the bike as narrow as possible.

JamesK
06-06-12, 06:41 PM
Some more ideas?
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/771/12920/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Yamaha-WR250F-Project-Bike.aspx

Jav
06-06-12, 07:52 PM
Some more ideas?
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/771/12920/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Yamaha-WR250F-Project-Bike.aspx

The WR250F and the WR250X/R are different bikes. Engine is completly different and even the wheels have different hubs,
rotors etc. It looks like the X/R but it is more an MX bike than a street/DP bike.

Jav
11-06-12, 01:03 AM
Athena kit installed & running. Crash/bash plate installed!

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250_Athena_L.jpg

Guy Jinbaiquerre
11-06-12, 06:18 AM
The WR250F... looks like the X/R but it is more an MX bike than a street/DP bike.
What's the difference between an MX bike and a DP bike?

waruta
11-06-12, 11:05 AM
Night and Day? KTM vs BMW...to put it simply, a full-on motocross bike cannot be ridden on the road, but makes incredible power and noise (for its size) and requires frequent overhauls/maintenance. A Dual-Purpose bike is meant for more occasional off-road outings, but mostly stays on pavement, has gearing better suited to roads (and highways), longer intervals between maintenance...and the list goes on.

Jav
11-06-12, 11:13 AM
What's the difference between an MX bike and a DP bike?

Usually an MX ( motocross ) bikes are lighter and more powerful. Have shorter service intervals and
no street running gear. Example would be the CRF250R. A DP bike is usually road registerable, longer service
intervals and less focused such as the CRF450L.

With Yamaha the WR250F is the MX type bike and the WR250R is the DP type bike.

WR250F - lighter, better suspension, higher power engine 5 valve engine with shorter service intervals. Very little is
interchangeable with the WR250R, through they look similar.
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/9a/f4/cr105bb/folder/1487052/img_1487052_62780824_0?1316578678

WR250R - street/rindo focused. Less tuned motor with 4 valve head and longer service intervals.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3454/3715759007_589915ee94_o.jpg

chozzer
11-06-12, 11:30 AM
What's the difference between an MX bike and a DP bike?

Take the CRF250X (enduro version of my bike)

Ring piston valve oil filter life is all measured in hours.

E.g. replace rings after 50 hours, piston after 100 hours, change oil after every ride, change filter after every 3 oil changes, adjust valves every 200 hours.

The KTM 250 EXC you were looking at is recommended to have a new piston, connecting rod and crank pin every 80 hours of use (or 40 hours of sporting use), oh and change all engine bearings, and perform a fork service.

Thats the kind of maintenance schedule you are signing up to if you ride a bike like that.

Suspension travel much bigger, seat height way higher (950 mm plus) 37/38 inches.

Great thing about the WR and CRF is they LOOK like their full dirt counterpart, but are designed as practical DP bikes.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
11-06-12, 12:10 PM
Good explanation, thanks.

haildamage
11-06-12, 03:54 PM
in addition, most of us just plain dont need the power an MX bike makes for rindos. if you are racing rallys like hunterjp it might be worth the mainenence schedule, but if you just want to explore rindos, it probably isnt!

Jav
17-06-12, 01:19 AM
Not at all happy with the Corbin seat. It is approx three times the weight of the stocker.
It has a bulbous base that hits the tank, so after 4hrs bending the brackets, using spacers
etc etc, I gave up on it. Mount hardware looks like something I would make with one file
a hacksaw and not a lot of time. It may soften but is way harder than the stocker. Overall a big waste of $360 odd bucks.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
17-06-12, 06:18 AM
Overall a big waste of $360 odd bucks.
You win some, you lose some.

If I had back all the money I ever spent on bike stuff that didn't work out... arrgh. Think of it as an R&D expense!

DDT Rider
17-06-12, 07:12 AM
Not at all happy with the Corbin seat. It is approx three times the weight of the stocker.
It has a bulbous base that hits the tank, so after 4hrs bending the brackets, using spacers
etc etc, I gave up on it. Mount hardware looks like something I would make with one file
a hacksaw and not a lot of time. It may soften but is way harder than the stocker. Overall a big waste of $360 odd bucks.

My limited past experience with Corbin has been eerily the same...

CnnmnSchnpps
17-06-12, 03:36 PM
Hey did you settle on lights yet? Lovin' the baja designs LEDs.

Before

8338

After

8339

Plus, makes the Hornet look like a UFO! ;squiddly

8340

Jav
18-06-12, 01:13 AM
Thanks for posting the lights comparison. Not yet decided, re lights.
The Baja life time warranty makes them an interesting proposition. Not to mention the low weight.

Twinrider
18-06-12, 08:06 AM
Hey did you settle on lights yet? Lovin' the baja designs LEDs.

Before

8338

After

8339

Plus, makes the Hornet look like a UFO! ;squiddly

8340

How about posting a daytime pic of the lights without them on so we can see what they look like? What's the model number?

Twinrider
18-06-12, 08:08 AM
Not at all happy with the Corbin seat. It is approx three times the weight of the stocker.
It has a bulbous base that hits the tank, so after 4hrs bending the brackets, using spacers
etc etc, I gave up on it. Mount hardware looks like something I would make with one file
a hacksaw and not a lot of time. It may soften but is way harder than the stocker. Overall a big waste of $360 odd bucks.

From everything I've read, Happy Trails is a good company and should be able to get you a refund for what is obviously a defective product. Why not try?

CnnmnSchnpps
19-06-12, 12:11 AM
I have the Double Stryk (http://www.bajadesigns.com/ProductDetail/630006_Double-Stryk-Vehicle-Kit)version with 2 LEDs per light and a claimed 3600 lumens at 40W draw for the pair. Each light has a wide and a spot optic. I also got the PWM dimmer - dim them quite low for normal riding, then max power with the high beam.

There's also a 4-LED version that was released recently that doubles the output, as well as various light bars that use the same LEDs.

Here's a couple of daytime shots:

8404

8405

Cheers
-D

Twinrider
20-06-12, 04:23 PM
Thanks for the additional info.

toomanycooks
20-06-12, 05:30 PM
Athena kit installed & running. Crash/bash plate installed!

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250_Athena_L.jpg

Cool! How's this upgrade? Have you put on a fuel programmer and a pipe/slip-on too?

Jav
20-06-12, 06:02 PM
Not put a tuner nor pipe on it yet. But even in its restricted mode, it is easy to feel
the difference. Now the bike pulls through to 160kms when on a straight. I could only
get about 140 before ( in tunnels I could get closer to 150 ).

Just feel more torquey without feeling more powerful. Pulls 2nd gear wheelies when before it
was just in first. With the pipe and tuner, the top end should improve. More than happy with the
investment.

Have an FMF Mega bomb and FMF Q4 pipe on the way. Tuner is PCV.

Guy Jinbaiquerre
20-06-12, 06:55 PM
Have an FMF Mega bomb and FMF Q4 pipe on the way. Tuner is PCV.
Just don't start talking about your Mega Bomb when we are going through Russian immigration... :icon_lol:

idkfa
18-06-13, 01:41 AM
So... if i am to load this bike up and ride for 6 days in Russia, i think i need to do a few mods.
A tad more power
Bigger tank
Better lighting ( realize HIDs are questionable for this trip )
Luggage rack
Power outlets for phone, computer etc.
Unforeseeable mod.........
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250.jpg


Hi Jav, very curious about how you secured your box's baseplate onto the Y'Gear strange looking rackplate?
I'm desperately trying to mount my 33L box onto my WRR but options are so limited.

Please help ! =))

Best rgds,

Jav
18-06-13, 01:57 AM
Hi Jav, very curious about how you secured your box's baseplate onto the Y'Gear strange looking rackplate?
I'm desperately trying to mount my 33L box onto my WRR but options are so limited.

Please help ! =))

Best rgds,

Will check in the morning, maybe grab a pic. Has been a while since i installed so have forgotten.

idkfa
18-06-13, 02:15 AM
Thanks so much!! Also want to find out if your panniers turned out well too..

Oyasumi!

Jav
20-06-13, 01:03 AM
Sorry for the delay on this. Will try to get to it tomorrow.

idkfa
20-06-13, 11:54 AM
Thank you JAV, will be watching this thread.

Desperate to get my box mounted but very unsure about the third party racks as many of them cost quite a bit too.
The Yamaha's rack has the cleanest look of the lot.

Thanks so much once again!

Jav
25-07-13, 12:12 AM
idkfa,

I did get around to trying to get pics, but the givi universal plate
bolts on so well to the Yamaha rack it is hard to see anything without
taking the rack off. Will try to dig out the pics tomorrow, but as mentioned
it is hard to see much in the images.

idkfa
25-07-13, 01:50 PM
Hello Jav,

thanks so much for your reply.
I wasn't sure how the Yamaha plate works so I went ahead and got this instead:
http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/parts/000/004/680/274/4680274/p1.jpg?ct=171b226e6cc3

But to my horror that thing weights around 1.5kg! Unbelievable...
I'm gonna replace it shortly.

I've actually seen a few WR250R/X with a Yamaha carrier plate mounted with topboxes.
There's probably a way to mount so I think I'll just buy it and figure it out afterwards.
Understand that it's hard to take the photos, so no worries Jav.

Meanwhile I'm curious to know if you had seen the Yamaha Multi-Carrier Rack II?
http://www.ysgear.co.jp/e-shop/mc/special/vol44/

I'm contemplating between that and the wolfman side pannier racks for touring use. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Jav
26-07-13, 01:00 AM
As good a shot as i could get. The Givi universal plate is bolted directly to the
Yamaha rack. It is super stable. Mounting involved drilling holes in the Yamaha
rack plate, but none in the rear fender. The Yamaha rack has a removable plate
so if the next owner does not want a Givi base, they can remove the base and
plate and just use the rack as normal.

http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250_Rack.jpg

Rindo riding that lead to some sealed roads that led to this...........
Judging by the flowers, i suspect someone died at this land slide.
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250.jpg

Jav
26-07-13, 01:03 AM
Meanwhile I'm curious to know if you had seen the Yamaha Multi-Carrier Rack II?
http://www.ysgear.co.jp/e-shop/mc/special/vol44/

I'm contemplating between that and the wolfman side pannier racks for touring use. Any thoughts?
Thanks!

The 3Box system looks weak and would only try it on an on road bike.
I went with the Happy Trails rack, as it acts as a rear sub-frame brace
and protects the exhaust. Can be used with hard cases or throw over
saddle bags. Recommend soft luggage, unless you are travelling outside Japan
( convinced by JV ).

Jav
16-01-14, 05:30 AM
http://www.gaijinriders.com/ImaGes/WR250/WR250.jpg


The mighty WR298 has moved on to a new owner and residence. Look forward to seeing her out on
rido and street rides this year.

Twinrider
16-01-14, 07:58 AM
Congrats on the sale.


Time for an XR250 thread?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJAxKjE_nGw

rider2371
16-01-14, 11:38 AM
The mighty WR298 has moved on to a new owner and residence. Look forward to seeing her out on
rido and street rides this year.

Congrats on the sale.

Any particular reason you sold, if you don't mind my asking? Seemed like a great bike with too modes (X and R) and with lots of mods.

haildamage
16-01-14, 07:59 PM
so what is next? i am still hoping we get to do a small DP bike tour together someday! i hope you add something to the stable in that category!

Twinrider
16-01-14, 08:41 PM
I already dropped a big hint about Jav's next DP....

haildamage
16-01-14, 10:09 PM
I already dropped a big hint about Jav's next DP....

hard to argue against the XR as a great choice. too bad they replaced them with what they did!

Jav
16-01-14, 10:16 PM
Congrats on the sale.
Any particular reason you sold, if you don't mind my asking? Seemed like a great bike with too modes (X and R) and with lots of mods.

I tend to mod bikes to a point then grow tired of them. Nothing to do with the bikes themselves, more how much i enjoy the process :nopity:

rider2371
16-01-14, 10:22 PM
I tend to mod bikes to a point then grow tired of them. Nothing to do with the bikes themselves, more how much i enjoy the process :nopity:

Makes sense now.

Jav
16-01-14, 10:26 PM
so what is next? i am still hoping we get to do a small DP bike tour together someday! i hope you add something to the stable in that category!

An XR250R is next. Actually I already have the bike ( from Apexmoto ). Looking forward to seeing how it runs off-road.

http://www.apexmoto.jp/Images/BikesSold/XR250_28000/XR_250_Right.jpg

Twinrider
17-01-14, 10:34 AM
The XR is a great choice. Tons of aftermarket parts available and loads of info on mods to maximize the power.

And the Ukraine shop who made our Djebel racks also makes them for the XR, with Givi mounts available as an option.

http://www.mmotoparts.com/img/prod/90/956.jpg

http://www.mmotoparts.com/product/whole-welded-luggage-rack-system-for-honda-xr250

Jav
17-01-14, 03:10 PM
Already ordered. The racks act as a great pipe protector. Will most likely go with
soft luggage this time.

Twinrider
17-01-14, 03:21 PM
The nice thing about Mmoto's $50 Givi mount option is you can run soft luggage when you want but easily add lockable hard cases should the need arise. And Mmoto also reinforces the racks as well with extra crossmembers. I use my E20s (http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c438718983) around town but will run my Ortliebs on rindo rides.

http://www.mmotoparts.com/img/prod/50/527.jpg





He also sells nice dirt cheap helmet holders (http://www.mmotoparts.com/section/holder-for-helmet) which can ship with the racks at no additional cost.

http://www.mmotoparts.com/img/prod_common/4/25.jpg

Guy Jinbaiquerre
17-01-14, 03:53 PM
Those racks look tough for sure, but if I get luggage for my Baja, I would probably want something like the Giant Loop bags:

http://i.imgur.com/RnEhcYQ.jpg


The whole point of 250cc bikes is to be lightweight; why pile on the pounds with metal racks and possibly even hard cases?

Twinrider
17-01-14, 04:26 PM
The whole point of 250cc bikes is to be lightweight; why pile on the pounds with metal racks and possibly even hard cases?

Since you asked, the metal racks add a lot of protection, make the bike much to pick up and add support for soft panniers. — well worth the penalty of a few pounds imo.

Givi E21 cases probably weigh less than soft cases and are very handy for use around town when more security is desirable. Pop 'em off in seconds when you don't need them.

Lots of reviews on the GL bags. Some people like them but they also seem vulnerable to muffler melt, scratching the side plastics (if that matters), are time-consuming to remove, and it doesn't look like it'd be easy to quickly access the contents during a ride break compared to soft panniers. Here's a pretty comprehensive review, one of many out there. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/394/4108/Motorcycle-Article/Giant-Loop-Saddlebags-Review.aspx

At the end of the day though there's no "right" choice, just what works right for you....

mevan123
17-01-14, 05:50 PM
An XR250R is next. Actually I already have the bike ( from Apexmoto ). Looking forward to seeing how it runs off-road.

http://www.apexmoto.jp/Images/BikesSold/XR250_28000/XR_250_Right.jpg

Great bike Jav. Owned one i was a teenager & still miss it. Very reliable, could tackle just about anything I could throw at it. Only limitation was track, but that's where the ol' KX came in more handy. Enjoy!

Twinrider
17-01-14, 07:43 PM
Nice Baja 14 liter tank up for grabs.

http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/c008.img.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/7/5/0/4/meijiyaoo-img600x450-1389944449bniybj14857.jpg

http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b155304029#enlargeimg

And one more, small dent great chance to give it a custom paint job :)

http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img363.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/5/0/7/work_out21-img600x450-1389585816lx1pf516698.jpg

http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/175638804

Jav
18-01-14, 12:01 PM
Those racks look tough for sure, but if I get luggage for my Baja, I would probably want something like the Giant Loop bags:
The whole point of 250cc bikes is to be lightweight; why pile on the pounds with metal racks and possibly even hard cases?

As Jim pointed out, a huge benefit is the rack protects the pipe/bike from damage. Also, it provides much more secure mounting
for soft luggage. Having had luggage move around in the past when riding off-road, i prefer to make sure it is very secure. The other
reason, is the rack provides a nice mount point for extra fuel tanks, so if i was to do a long distance trip, no worrying about fuel ( don't
really like the look of huge plastic fuel tanks anymore ). Lastly the rack is awesome when picking up or pulling the bike out when it gets bogged.
Overall the weight of the rack on my WR was not a problem. This unit looks similar in construction and size so suspect it will not adversely effect handling/maneuverability.

The Wr weighed about 296lbs wet and the XR is definitely lighter. I believe it is around 260lbs wet, so still lighter with the rack than the WR
( which is not a heavy bike ). Plus when i change the exhaust for something lighter, it will end up being very similar to stock weight.

Jav
18-01-14, 12:03 PM
Nice Baja 14 liter tank up for grabs.


Want to keep the looks of the bike, so unless i come across a red tank ( unlikely ) or
decide to paint one and make the stickers ( slightly more likely ) will leave the tank as is.

Jav
18-01-14, 12:05 PM
Great bike Jav. Owned one i was a teenager & still miss it. Very reliable, could tackle just about anything I could throw at it. Only limitation was track, but that's where the ol' KX came in more handy. Enjoy!

Agree. The XR is a DP bike not an MX bike.

Twinrider
18-01-14, 12:57 PM
Want to keep the looks of the bike, so unless i come across a red tank ( unlikely ) or
decide to paint one and make the stickers ( slightly more likely ) will leave the tank as is.

I reckon the black with red graphics matches your bike's red and black paint scheme pretty damn good and that extra capacity would be welcome in the inaka. But JMHO YMMV, TEHO, etc.... :icon_wink:

haildamage
18-01-14, 01:19 PM
Those racks look tough for sure, but if I get luggage for my Baja, I would probably want something like the Giant Loop bags:

http://i.imgur.com/RnEhcYQ.jpg


The whole point of 250cc bikes is to be lightweight; why pile on the pounds with metal racks and possibly even hard cases?


notice he is riding in a desert type area in that pic.

the giant loop, wolfman enduro, etc. fans tend to be in dry climates where the downside of those systems not being waterproof is not a big issue. i really like how the giant loop bags work but here in japan, i am really hesitant to run a giant loop system since they are not waterproof. their solution is to put everything in waterproof bags before putting it in the GL bag, but that would also diminish capacity.

i have been running my ortliebs without side racks on my DRZ for years now without issue. not sure if that would work on any DS bike though as the battery supports the bags on one side and the muffler on the other.

haildamage
18-01-14, 01:21 PM
Want to keep the looks of the bike, so unless i come across a red tank ( unlikely ) or
decide to paint one and make the stickers ( slightly more likely ) will leave the tank as is.

The XRs are quite efficient, so you should get a decent range with the stock tank and stock motor. knowing you though, the engine wont be stock for long and that will make it thirstier decreasing the range... :biggrin:

Twinrider
18-01-14, 07:01 PM
These little bikes can suck the gas when you ride them aggressively, I've seen as low as 20kpl on the Djebel. I'm guessing the 9 liter tank will be good for around 200 km.

rider2371
20-01-14, 10:43 AM
The rack sure looks great and multi-purpose as everyone said. I looked on mmoto but seems they don't have a model for the CRF... Does anyone know a similar rack system for the CRF?

Twinrider
20-01-14, 11:13 AM
Wolfman made side racks for your bike but stopped production, maybe you can find NOS or a used set.

This might help, maybe check out Moose's offering. http://www.epinions.com/t-crf-luggage?sb=1

Also try emailing Mmoto, he might be up for making a set for the CRF if he has a bike he can use for development.

rider2371
20-01-14, 11:52 AM
Thanks TR. Emailed Mmoto, let's see what they come back with.

dmizer
20-01-14, 01:08 PM
notice he is riding in a desert type area in that pic.

the giant loop, wolfman enduro, etc. fans tend to be in dry climates where the downside of those systems not being waterproof is not a big issue. i really like how the giant loop bags work but here in japan, i am really hesitant to run a giant loop system since they are not waterproof. their solution is to put everything in waterproof bags before putting it in the GL bag, but that would also diminish capacity.

Earlier, when luggage options were being considered for the WR250, I wanted to suggest the giant loop, because it seems to be the perfect option. I didn't because I discovered that the bag was not water proof. I still think it's a good option though, and now ...
"NEW FOR 2014 – NOW 100% WATERPROOF!" (http://giantloopmoto.com/products/coyote-saddlebag/)

Twinrider
20-01-14, 02:07 PM
It's a good option as long as you don't care about quickly accessing the contents or quickly removing the GL from the bike. It also looks like it uses some seat room and prevents the use of a top box.


Still recommend the Ortlieb drybag saddlebags or something similar like these:


http://motorcycleadventure.com.au/images/enduristan/LUSA-001_Info.jpg


Or these Andy Strapz (http://www.andystrapz.com/products-details.php?productId=35&productCategoryId=22&Level=1)

http://www.andystrapz.com/uploaded/products/4bf4f8ac66e20pannktm640.jpg

http://www.andystrapz.com/uploaded/product-variant/4c89bfe451325expedition-panniers-4-pocket.jpg

Guy Jinbaiquerre
20-01-14, 03:34 PM
Earlier, when luggage options were being considered for the WR250, I wanted to suggest the giant loop, because it seems to be the perfect option. I didn't because I discovered that the bag was not water proof. I still think it's a good option though, and now ...
"NEW FOR 2014 – NOW 100% WATERPROOF!" (http://giantloopmoto.com/products/coyote-saddlebag/)

I like the looks of the Giant Loop (although I never tried one), and I would like it to be waterproof. But based on their site, it's not clear to me if they mean the bag itself is waterproof, or just the inner pods are:


NEW FOR 2014 – NOW 100% WATERPROOF! The choice for hardcore off-road expeditions. Carry gear for multi-day trips — and still work the entire saddle. Rides on rear fender and/or tail rack. Straps on to dirt bikes and dual sport motorcycles, no passenger pegs required.

• Includes set of 3 roll-top 100% waterproof fitted Dry Pod liners

Why would you have waterproof liners if the outer bag itself is waterproof?

Twinrider
20-01-14, 05:59 PM
I like the looks of the Giant Loop (although I never tried one), and I would like it to be waterproof. But based on their site, it's not clear to me if they mean the bag itself is waterproof, or just the inner pods are:



Why would you have waterproof liners if the outer bag itself is waterproof?

One review said removing the GL is time-consuming, so most likely you'd end up leaving it on the bike and just removing the contents when you pull into camp. In that case waterproof inner bags would still be highly desirable.

Doug68
20-01-14, 08:01 PM
This is my bike in the Strzelecki desert in 1995. All you need is lots of string!
I still use the Karrimor bag, its proved basically indestructible.
The next time I reached civilization the string was ditched in favor of ratchet straps, a couple of ratchet straps will hold just about anything on whatever happens.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3722/12048137265_32c7caca45_o.jpg

dmizer
21-01-14, 12:52 AM
It's a good option as long as you don't care about quickly accessing the contents or quickly removing the GL from the bike. It also looks like it uses some seat room and prevents the use of a top box.
Dunno ... not sure if I'd want to put much more weight on a bike of that size. I still like it as an option despite its drawbacks. The reality is that anything you use to carry luggage on a bike will be a compromise somewhere.

rtho
21-01-14, 09:21 AM
So far I've done about 13000 klm around SE Asia, some of it in tropical torrential rain using Andy Strapz soft luggage. On one occasion I got about a tablespoon of rain in one bag and that was from overloading the bag which didn't allow for the recommended number of rolls of the top to ensure a weatherproof closure. As for security it simply hasn't been an issue, whenever I leave the loaded bike unattended it's during the day and in public places and nothing has been touched. At night I either put the bike in the hotel foyer or it's in a secure area. So far I've been in Timor Leste, Flores, Sumbawa, Lombok, Bali, Java, Sumatra, Penang and now in the Golden Triangle of Northern Thailand. It takes seconds to lift the bags clear of the bike and about as long to re-attach them in the morning. I also run a Coocase topbox, the cross strap fits across the base of the case and the case then clicks into the base securing the bags. Lets face it, if a thief wants your stuff badly enough, you've lost it regardless of the precautions. IMHO there are just too many disadvantages to hard panniers to make it worthwhile. Lots of pics on ADV if you're interested. "Following the Front Wheel"

Twinrider
21-01-14, 09:41 AM
Dunno ... not sure if I'd want to put much more weight on a bike of that size. I still like it as an option despite its drawbacks. The reality is that anything you use to carry luggage on a bike will be a compromise somewhere.

As mentioned, there's no perfect setup obviously, I just prefer the ability to quickly remove the soft bags and quickly access the contents. The top box I use mainly for town riding/easy touring, pops off in a second when not required. Also doesn't weigh much, being the Givi Monolock series


So far I've done about 13000 klm around SE Asia, some of it in tropical torrential rain using Andy Strapz soft luggage. It takes seconds to lift the bags clear of the bike and about as long to re-attach them in the morning. I also run a Coocase topbox, the cross strap fits across the base of the case and the case then clicks into the base securing the bags.

Sounds like a nice setup, thoroughly tested.

Here is a pick of my LD touring setup on my Raid, will run a similar setup on my Djebel. About 105 liters of storage in the Ortliebs and Givi top box, both can be removed in seconds.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/twinrider/b634d4ee-70bb-4dd1-8e51-4d3e7cd1a066_zps8f321534.jpg?t=1390265190

haildamage
21-01-14, 10:01 AM
rtho, thanks for the real world review of the andy strapz!

getting the weight down low is key especially for offroad riding.

i have the ortliebs and they will not let any water in even in a real turd floater rain event, or all day touring in the rain. it rained every day of my 11 day tour in hokkaido last summer and my gear stayed dry. they are a pfaff to put on and remove though.

i will be very tempted by the GL system if my next enduro bike doesnt handle the ortliebs well. they are 100% waterproof if you use the waterproof innerbags. that makes for more of a pfaff packing and unpacking as well as diminishing your carrying capacity. after my rainy hokkaido tour, i wouldnt want to have anything that is not extremely waterproof!

Guy Jinbaiquerre
21-01-14, 10:34 AM
Just wondering, with Andy Strapz, how do you keep the bags from melting on your muffler, etc? Is there some sort of rigid frame?

gkanai
21-01-14, 11:35 AM
ALTRider is claiming a new waterproof luggage for DP bikes.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=947051

http://wachs.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/ALTRIDER-Luggage/i-Rw7xNFD/0/XL/_V1A8814-XL.jpg

http://wachs.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/ALTRIDER-Luggage/i-hqJTxLf/0/XL/_V1A9214-XL.jpg

Twinrider
21-01-14, 11:36 AM
^^ Also looks like a PITA to quickly access the contents....

dmizer
21-01-14, 12:40 PM
^^ Also looks like a PITA to quickly access the contents....

Looks easy enough to me. It has a huge rolled up opening that gives you a lot of room for adjusting to the size of your load, and allows access without unstrapping the thing. I think ease of access would depend largely on how you pack, much like in any other type of motorcycle luggage.

rtho
21-01-14, 09:06 PM
Depends on the configuration of the bike, on the CT110 I just made up a very lightweight frame to keep the bags hanging straight and off the muffler and shocks. On the F650GS I used commercially manufactured frames but if I'd had access to a welder and workshop it would have just been something light. The frame doesn't carry any weight so it doesn't need to be substantial.


Just wondering, with Andy Strapz, how do you keep the bags from melting on your muffler, etc? Is there some sort of rigid frame?

Jav
21-01-14, 11:37 PM
I don't like my luggage to get in my way when riding. If I want to move back on the seat
to stretch the legs or arms a bit, want to be able to do that. So for me the racks with throw
over bags is best. Plus usually, if i have gear, there is a tent and other stuff so one bag is
never enough.