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    Considering how well Kiyo does on his XR250, if I owned one I wouldn't be in a hurry to sell it till I got a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinrider View Post
    Considering how well Kiyo does on his XR250, if I owned one I wouldn't be in a hurry to sell it till I got a lot better.
    Do you know which XR he has (XR250R ,or XR250L)? I haven't ridden either, but the R is meant to be lighter (108kg?) and more offroad focused. The transmission is different too I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinrider View Post
    Considering how well Kiyo does on his XR250, if I owned one I wouldn't be in a hurry to sell it till I got a lot better.
    Yep, not planning to sell the Baja. I can always dream about adding to the stable, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markw View Post
    Do you know which XR he has (XR250R ,or XR250L)? I haven't ridden either, but the R is meant to be lighter (108kg?) and more offroad focused. The transmission is different too I believe.
    Honda dropped the L designation on the '96 on, simply calling it the XR250. Kiyo's bike is a standard domestic XR but he has geared it lower and tweaked the carb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Jinbaiquerre View Post
    Yep, not planning to sell the Baja. I can always dream about adding to the stable, though...
    I might add a light 2smoke 250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinrider View Post
    I might add a light 2smoke 250.
    What is the power difference between 2-stroke and 4-stroke for a given engine displacement? Or, what size 4-stroke would you need to make the same power as a 250cc 2-stroke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Jinbaiquerre View Post
    What is the power difference between 2-stroke and 4-stroke for a given engine displacement? Or, what size 4-stroke would you need to make the same power as a 250cc 2-stroke?
    For MX racing, 250cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes can run in the same class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinrider View Post
    I might add a light 2smoke 250.
    A KTM 250 EXC would be a good choice if you want to go the 2Smoke route. Lightweight, good suspension and a KTM Power Parts 300cc kit is available if you fancy a bigger hit. However, I have zero regrets in getting my 4stroke 500 (the 500 is the first 4stroke offroad bike I've ever owned). It's so much easier and less tiring to ride than a 2stroke. The power and torque the engine puts out is great. 4Stroke engine braking makes braking into corners much easier too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markw View Post
    It's so much easier and less tiring to ride than a 2stroke.
    Could you explain this a bit for 2-stroke n00bs? What makes the 4-stroke easier/less tiring? Are you just talking about the need to mix oil in with the gas, or about the actual riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Jinbaiquerre View Post
    Could you explain this a bit for 2-stroke n00bs? What makes the 4-stroke easier/less tiring? Are you just talking about the need to mix oil in with the gas, or about the actual riding?
    The actual riding is less tiring. The 2stroke engine tends to make power in a narrower RPM range, making it exciting to ride, but also more difficult to control and more tiring...

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    Three reasons for wanting the 2 smoke. Cheap to buy used, maintenance is much easier with no valves to check, and no shaken so I can freely mod without worries.

    CRMs have a nice, easy to use powerband, as do KDX220s.



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    My first bike in Japan was a CRM250, purchased new in '93. Good bikes, but a little heavy and the suspension didn't work well for me. I thought the used prices are high recently for good ones though?

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    Regarding maintenance, 2strokes typically have shorter maintenance cycles than equivalent 4strokes. However, parts are cheap and if you can change piston and rings, clean the power valve yourself you can get by very cheaply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markw View Post
    My first bike in Japan was a CRM250, purchased new in '93. Good bikes, but a little heavy and the suspension didn't work well for me. I thought the used prices are high recently for good ones though?
    Around 350,000 for a nice AR. And pretty much I can do all the maintenance myself (ie change oil). Don't foresee a piston change given that Honda built it to be a road bike and my self-imposed risk limitations since I have to able to go to work M-F.

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    Depends on the tune of the engine. I had a DT200 that was dead easy to ride… unlike my mates bonkers CR.

    I learned to ride on a TT350 with kick starter and it's no problem… and no battery to run flat trying to start. In fact, my first 3 bikes we're kick start. The singles were almost as easy as the multis to start - with he right technique.


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    I would want to be using an existing bike close to its limits before considering upgrading it. If I was really proficient at using my XT250 then, and only then, would I consider upgrading.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamikuza View Post
    Depends on the tune of the engine. I had a DT200 that was dead easy to ride… unlike my mates bonkers CR.

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    I'm thinking of the 2smokes I had after the '93 CRM250 Including: '96 KTM 250 EXC (plated), '97 RM250, '99 CR250 (plated :-) !), '01 CR 250 and a '04 CR250, all of which were super light, powerful, very lively and needed regular maintenance. They were all fun to ride, but I wouldn't want to to go back to any of them from my 500 EXC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markw View Post
    I'm thinking of the 2smokes I had after the '93 CRM250 Including: '96 KTM 250 EXC (plated), '97 RM250, '99 CR250 (plated :-) !), '01 CR 250 and a '04 CR250, all of which were super light, powerful, very lively and needed regular maintenance. They were all fun to ride, but I wouldn't want to to go back to any of them from my 500 EXC.
    Your bike is nice but about 5 times my budget, not including the maintenance Will stick to a CRM most likely. Wish I still had my 2nd Gen.

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    Here's a picture of the plated '99 CR250 I had. Oh the memories of your back covered in specks of 2 stroke oil and wheelies at every traffic light:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markw View Post
    but I wouldn't want to to go back to any of them from my 500 EXC.
    I think that says it all… but I still dream about my NS400.

    Oh depends on the riding of course: trailering a bike to a riding spot, I'd want a stoker, think. Maybe :o


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